Will to Power
"You got a guy who's flamboyant and you got a guy who's a tough club fighter... this right here is just like Sylvester Stallone and Apollo Creed. The reason why he was able to make Rocky one, two, three, four, five, AND fucking six... the only reason he was able to make them kind of movies is because people believe that bullshit. See... this ain't gonna be that Rocky Seven movie because the real motherfucker's gonna win for real... the real guy who's supposed to win is GONNA win. - Roger Mayweather
As I listened to Uncle Rog voice the above words of wisdom last night, I nodded my head in solemn recognition, never more aware of how great minds think alike. I myself voiced much the same sentiment to Franchise on Wednesday over at his site, jarrypark.com. People love to think that boxing is a contest of wills and a contest of wills alone. This is largely what motivates Hollywood's love affair with the sweet science, the cinematic idea that a fight is entirely a measure of what's inside a man's heart. This rah-rah bit of nonsense ignores the fact that at the highest skill levels boxing is primarily an athletic contest where will is indeed a factor (as it is in all sports of pain and endurance) but a factor that only comes into play when you have the speed and reflexes and vision, when you have the God-given ability to level the playing field.
My example to Franchise on this score was that you could have the will of an elephant, of a hundred elephants, but if you happen to be a so-so tennis player with a weak serve you are NEVER going to beat Roger Federer in a thousand tries. Of course, boxing is very different than tennis - there is the fabled "puncher's chance." Now and then in the squared circle, a man who is completely outclassed on all fronts manages to land that one magic punch that turns the tide in his favor. It doesn't happen often, but when it does, what a thrill it is. It speaks to all of us supremely untalented gobs out here walking around wondering if we'll ever land the big one.
For an example, I turn to Lennox Lewis, who was certainly vulnerable to the magic punch of lesser mortals in his time, ate two of them in fact, one from Hasim Rahman and one from Oliver McCall. The knockout McCall laid on him was really in my mind the epitome of the puncher's chance, a wild right thrown with eyes completely closed that happened, almost as if guided by some force not his own, to find its mark and fell his man.
We must remember, however, that there were some important preconditions that went into creating this situation:
Obviously I'm not in Hatton's camp and all I see is what the camera shows me, which is quite probably far from the whole story. Nevertheless, what I see of Floyd's training is a regular and almost unimaginable display of the kind of speed and reflexes that wins fights. What I see of Hatton's training is him lunging around the ring after his broken-down lout of a trainer wearing a big belly pad that you couldn't miss if you threw an anvil at it. In the gym, Hatton strikes me as a man who's trying to convince himself of the soundness of his own fury, of the enormity of his will to prevail in the face of an overwhelming deficit in skill.
It's not on mate, it's just not on. The only chance in hell that Ricky Hatton has of winning tomorrow night is the puncher's chance, and of the three preconditions that I mentioned before in relationship to Lennox, only one is even possibly at play with Mayweather. Floyd is a perfectly conditioned athlete who, because of his healthy regard for his own safety, never underestimates his man. Also, Ricky Hatton is not a puncher of note - he's small and his shots are wide and unbalanced. The only thing that one can wonder about is Floyd's chin, for though he has stood up to loads of punishment in his career and taken it with aplomb, we have never seen him walk one single step down queer street, and so we have no idea how he would cope should he ever find himself on that lonely avenue.
But then, the fact that Floyd has never been seriously shaken in a fight is telling in and of itself, for he has certainly faced a number of opponents with the firepower to shake a man - Manfredy, Chico, Jesus Chavez, Gatti, Oscar. I remember reading about this conversation that Floyd had with some R&B chick in a rap magazine somewhere, where she said to him, "I don't like boxing... I don't like watching people get hit," and he instantly replied, "well you should come see my fights then cause I don't get hit."
Indeed he don't. As I've made clear time and time again, I prognosticate an easy victory for Floyd, and I feel very confident about that prognostification. Plus, I have to add that the last episode of 24/7 has me thinking that it will be a stoppage. Hatton looks doubtful to me and I think he may well be about to meet the same fate as Arturo at the hands of Money May. So here it is people, take it to the bank - Floyd TKO 10.
As I listened to Uncle Rog voice the above words of wisdom last night, I nodded my head in solemn recognition, never more aware of how great minds think alike. I myself voiced much the same sentiment to Franchise on Wednesday over at his site, jarrypark.com. People love to think that boxing is a contest of wills and a contest of wills alone. This is largely what motivates Hollywood's love affair with the sweet science, the cinematic idea that a fight is entirely a measure of what's inside a man's heart. This rah-rah bit of nonsense ignores the fact that at the highest skill levels boxing is primarily an athletic contest where will is indeed a factor (as it is in all sports of pain and endurance) but a factor that only comes into play when you have the speed and reflexes and vision, when you have the God-given ability to level the playing field.
My example to Franchise on this score was that you could have the will of an elephant, of a hundred elephants, but if you happen to be a so-so tennis player with a weak serve you are NEVER going to beat Roger Federer in a thousand tries. Of course, boxing is very different than tennis - there is the fabled "puncher's chance." Now and then in the squared circle, a man who is completely outclassed on all fronts manages to land that one magic punch that turns the tide in his favor. It doesn't happen often, but when it does, what a thrill it is. It speaks to all of us supremely untalented gobs out here walking around wondering if we'll ever land the big one.
For an example, I turn to Lennox Lewis, who was certainly vulnerable to the magic punch of lesser mortals in his time, ate two of them in fact, one from Hasim Rahman and one from Oliver McCall. The knockout McCall laid on him was really in my mind the epitome of the puncher's chance, a wild right thrown with eyes completely closed that happened, almost as if guided by some force not his own, to find its mark and fell his man.
We must remember, however, that there were some important preconditions that went into creating this situation:
- Lennox was undertrained, overconfident and downright lazy in the ring.
- For as great as he was, Lennox was never known for having a great beard.
- Though an utter disaster as a fighter on almost every front, McCall had legitimate power.
Obviously I'm not in Hatton's camp and all I see is what the camera shows me, which is quite probably far from the whole story. Nevertheless, what I see of Floyd's training is a regular and almost unimaginable display of the kind of speed and reflexes that wins fights. What I see of Hatton's training is him lunging around the ring after his broken-down lout of a trainer wearing a big belly pad that you couldn't miss if you threw an anvil at it. In the gym, Hatton strikes me as a man who's trying to convince himself of the soundness of his own fury, of the enormity of his will to prevail in the face of an overwhelming deficit in skill.
It's not on mate, it's just not on. The only chance in hell that Ricky Hatton has of winning tomorrow night is the puncher's chance, and of the three preconditions that I mentioned before in relationship to Lennox, only one is even possibly at play with Mayweather. Floyd is a perfectly conditioned athlete who, because of his healthy regard for his own safety, never underestimates his man. Also, Ricky Hatton is not a puncher of note - he's small and his shots are wide and unbalanced. The only thing that one can wonder about is Floyd's chin, for though he has stood up to loads of punishment in his career and taken it with aplomb, we have never seen him walk one single step down queer street, and so we have no idea how he would cope should he ever find himself on that lonely avenue.
But then, the fact that Floyd has never been seriously shaken in a fight is telling in and of itself, for he has certainly faced a number of opponents with the firepower to shake a man - Manfredy, Chico, Jesus Chavez, Gatti, Oscar. I remember reading about this conversation that Floyd had with some R&B chick in a rap magazine somewhere, where she said to him, "I don't like boxing... I don't like watching people get hit," and he instantly replied, "well you should come see my fights then cause I don't get hit."
Indeed he don't. As I've made clear time and time again, I prognosticate an easy victory for Floyd, and I feel very confident about that prognostification. Plus, I have to add that the last episode of 24/7 has me thinking that it will be a stoppage. Hatton looks doubtful to me and I think he may well be about to meet the same fate as Arturo at the hands of Money May. So here it is people, take it to the bank - Floyd TKO 10.



21 Comments:
I do agree with most of your analysis here and on the podcast. Floyd will win, and it could be on a cuts-TKO.
Still, I don't feel it will be a slaughter like Gatti. I don't think we will see the Collazo-Fight Hatton tomorrow. And Hatton won't let Floyd stay in his comfort-zone all day long.
What I don't agree is that hyping of the Oscar-Fight. I mean how can you say (on the podcast) that Kosta was a shot man, and then give so many credits to Oscar? He was 35 against Floyd, had only 3 fights in 3 years and his only win came against Mayorga! (He lost to Sturm ;-)). He is a promoter who sometimes boxes, not the star he once was.
Okay, he was bigger than Floyd but he was made for the pretty boy, you wrote it yourself in May. Oscars intend was making money, not getting hit 5 times to deliver 1 blow.
Speaking of Oscar, his part in the last 24/7 was just absolutly over the top. Oscar coming in and showing Ricky "the tricks" and imitating Floyds defense. I couldn't stop laughing bout that shit.
I see it the same way, I think. I just don't see how Hatton can hurt Floyd. Not fast enough, not big enough. So yeah, I see it a unanimous decision, with Hatton's "will" just barely keeping him off the canvas.
As far as Oscar, is it just me, or whenever I see him these days, I just think about him in lingerie, shake my head and move along...
Trickster- I hear you and you make a fair point. I definitely think Oscar had more left last May than Kos did when fought Hatton. Oscar still has a lot of speed and a lot of power, and in the ring against Floyd he looked like a middleweight fightng a welter. I was very impressed with the way Floyd handled that fight.
I'm not sure I agree with your assessment of the Collazo fight either. I don't think Hatton was underprepared in that fight - I think he was undersized. Collazo has real speed and he was bigger than Hatton and the combination was more than he could handle. No matter how hard he has trained for Floyd he will find himself in the same bout tomorrow night only infinitely worse.
As for Oscar, yes, thanks for raising that - I forgot to mention it. That whole vignette was so fucking staged, particularly the moment where Oscar said of Floyd and his dad "you know, they don't get along." Humiliating, the worst moment the show has served up in either series.
Agree with most of your arguments, though think you are being a tiny bit disrespectful of what Hatton has accomplished. He is a deserving fighter, and his results at 140 compare favorably to many greats. However, like you I see Mayweather as a step too far.
I see Mayweather largely doing what he wants, but getting outworked during a few rounds when he goes to defensive and Hatton lands a couple shots. 9-3, 8-4, something like that. Hard to imagine a KO.
And I'm not a betting man, but boy, Mayweather at -180 is saliva inducing. I think the 24/7 show lowered those odds tremendously.
Where are you getting that, Anon? Last I saw, about a half hour ago, Floyd was -225.
Both StanJames.com and Bet365 have terrific odds. I'd wait a bit longer though, as I presume they will tighten further.
bodog is at -210. i need to hop on a uk site.
put it all on hatton.
when this fight was announced, i decided to skip it (unless i was gonna be out west anyway). i don't anticipate it even being very interesting; i think floyd so thoroughly outclasses ricky. (well, in the ring. to mention class in the same sentence as any mayweather, i must be speaking of between the ropes, or lack thereof.)
and i loved the oscar/floyd battle. but i still think collazo deserved the decision over hatton (it was a slip!) and floyd is bigger and much better than collazo.
floyd is the most ring-intelligent boxer on the scene today; brains + speed + defense > raw aggression.
Yo I was wondering if any of you no-masians knew of any bars in manhattan that are showing the fight? I know the pourhouse in the east village is showing it but other than that I haven't heard of anywhere else.
Now I believe everything you said in this article Large.
Floyd is the bigger, faster, and smarter fighter. He has everything to lose and very little to gain and he knows it. He will come into the squared circle that night as if it was his last fight and thats what makes him one of the best. Floyd's will to win is just as strong as Hattons.
But the entertainment side of me wants to see a war where Hatton has bigger than a slight chance to win this fight. I believe in the age-old adage of a fighter bringing the best out of another fighter.
I think this fight will seriously bring the best Ricky Hatton that we all have ever seen.
That slim thought is making me count down the minutes until the fight come tonight in hopes of seeing something special.
let me be the first w/props, large. nice call.
OK Large, you are a seer. Perhaps you should be doing this for a living? Betting on Boxing.... TKO in the 10th? I figure that would have brought some fine odds....
nice call, large.
I meant to post this when I realized that I've stared at your fair website for about a year now (with The Big Ump in the Sky being classified as a 'classic' post):
You kick so much ass. Thanks.
Also, good call Large.
Large, you're the king. I'm out here at school in England and watched the fight with a bunch of my British friends. I confidently repeated your call of Floyd by TKO in the 10th. Not only did I win myself a quick 40 quid but now I look like a boxing savant. Large and No Mas are major.
my pick of a tko in 8 was foolishness.
good work large.
With Pavlik that makes it two this fall right on the button. Large you need to take this act to Vegas baby. Can you get odds for the round?
What do y'all think TKO Floyd Ten would've paid. Gotta be in the 50-1 range with actually calling the round.
Congratulations. Brilliant analysis and prediction.
Dug the riff on puncher's chance and curious, do you think there were moments when Hatton had a shot, or was a lot of the excitement just from the illusion of possible effectiveness that moving forward gave Ricky.
Got give it up to the ref for a perfect stoppage. Kopper and I watched that replay a bunch of times and you can see tht he grabbed Floyd's right arm before Hatton keeled over. That was a tough call given that if Hatton stayed up there, that might've been a little controversial.
How in the hell did you call that. I thought I was close when I called Pavlik-Taylor. You fucking nailed it.
$$$
Good call, wish I had actually bet, but that's how it goes. I must admit I thought it was going to be a little more competitive, I only found one round to give to Hatton. They really need to do something with that HBO announcing team, either they have no idea how to score and understand a fight, or their blatant personal bias makes watching fights with them very difficult.
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