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November 29th, 2008

Saturday Thoughts on De La Hoya/Pacquiao

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As a match, Oscar/Manny has grown on me.

Obviously, the size issue is problematic, and it doesn’t reflect well on Oscar, who is making a habit lately of fighting smaller guys who are unlikely to hurt him very much.

But the thing I’ve come to realize is this: Who besides Margarito would we have him fight? No doubt about it, ducking Margarito is a charge that Oscar has no choice but to own up to. He said he’d fight the winner of Margarito/Cotto, and then it turned out that what he meant to say was, “I will fight the winner of Margarito/Cotto… so long as it’s Cotto.”

It’s another embarrassing moment for a guy who’s had more than his fair share of embarrassments, but with some critical distance I have to admit that it doesn’t seem such a cardinal sin to me in retrospect. Is Oscar wary of Margarito? Absolutely. But at the same time, Tony doesn’t bring a lot of PPV muscle to the table for an Oscar-level fight. A De La Hoya/Margarito PPV would be a promotional dream and do fantastic numbers, but then again, De La Hoya does good numbers whenever he fights. I certainly don’t think De La Hoya/Margs comes close to De La Hoya/Manny money. So from Oscar’s standpoint, it boils down to this – why take a risk against a killer like Margs when he can make more money and risk much less?

A younger, hungrier Oscar would have stepped into the lion’s maw and fought Margarito. I have no doubt about that. But at this point… no way. And don’t get me wrong – I would prefer to see that fight instead of seeing him take on a guy who is naturally about 20 pounds lighter than him. Coming on the heels of Mayweather and then Forbes, opting for a mighty midget like Pacquiao definitely makes the man seem a little yellow at the gills. Then again, it’s tough to go too far with the “Oscar is a pussy” accusations, because, well, just look at the guys he’s stepped into the ring with over the course of his career. That at the age of 35 he is not leaping to fight a very mean dude with not a lot of financial upside for him does not seem to be the worst case of risk avoidance the sport has ever known by a longshot.

Ruling out Margarito, then, who else? You gotta have some serious starpower to get a look from Oscar for a mega-bout, and there’s no one in his weight class with that kind of juice right now besides the ever-undeserving Mr. Hatton (who may fight Oscar in ‘09 anyway). As I pointed out last summer when Oscar was fishing around for an opponent, the only other name in the 147-160 zone was Kelly Pavlik, and given the danger quotient and size differential, that wasn’t going to happen (although now, in this post-Bernard era, one wonders… could Oscar beat Pavlik? probably not, too small…).

With such a dearth of options, he landed on Pacquiao, and ultimately, career-wise, I think he ended up taking the riskiest fight of the lot. That’s what is dawning on me as this thing gets closer and closer. If Oscar got pummelled by Margarito on December 6th, or Paul Williams, or even Pavlik, who would fault him for that? I doubt any of those guys would completely kill De La Hoya. I think Margs and Pavlik likely would give him a beating and PWill might lose. Either way, any one of that threesome against De La Hoya probably would make for a nasty, memorable fight. Win or lose, Oscar would get props for his heroism, and live to fight another mega-million-dollar day.

And that’s the question that increasingly interests me about De La Hoya/Pacquiao: What happens to Oscar’s rep, viability, sheer earning power as a fighter, if he loses this fight? If it’s close, if it goes to the cards and there’s a lot of debating about it, etc., well, then he’s probably fine, although I still think his rep takes a major hit. But if he gets soundly beaten, gets hurt early and barely makes it out on his feet? Or if he gets KTFO? What happens then? Does the mythical pay-per-view, cash cow Golden Goose survive a devastating loss to a guy who’s three weight classes below him?

I don’t think so. I think a loss to Manny would be a setback that Oscar couldn’t recover from and ultimately could spell the end of his career. After a Pacquiao loss, Floyd would never come back to fight Oscar. At that point, I actually think you could guarantee that Floyd would come back, but it would be to fight Pacquiao, which would be a ridiculous mega-PPV and a fight I’d like to see regardless of next Saturday’s outcome. But not in a million years would Floyd fight a rematch with an Oscar who lost to Manny. As for Hatton, there’s already a lot of talk about a Hatton/Pacquiao fight in London (another fight I’m itching to see, just to see Manny embarrass ole Ricky Twelve Pints on his home pub-crawlin turf). I can’t imagine that Hatton/De La Hoya would take precedence with the Fat Man after a big Pacquiao win over Oscar.

Really, I don’t see where Oscar goes after a loss to Pac Man. He could still make fights with Margo, Cotto, PWill, Pavlik even, try to claw his way back to viability with a big win over a dangerous opponent. He could do a senior tour rematch with Shane Mosley, which, with both of them coming off losses (presuming Margarito beats Shane, a big if, but a betting favorite), wouldn’t exactly be a major event. Maybe he could get Tito Trinidad to get lipo and make a fight with him in the 160 zone. Or… he could just say fuck it and retire with his face and brain intact and a mazillion dollars in the bank. Something tells me that, at this stage of his life and career, the choice would be (no pun intended) a no-brainer.

In short, in taking what most of us thought was the easy way out, I think Oscar has put his back to the wall. He’s now facing a must-win situation against a fighter of the caliber of Manny Pacquiao. Much smaller? Yes. Very VERY good? No doubt. There’s legitmate drama here, and I’m really starting to enjoy the anticipation of the spectacle. With everyone else at the Mas, I imagine, I’ll be rooting hard for Manny to pull off the upset, and may even have to lay down a few beans in his honor depending on how the odds shake down. We’ll see about that, and in the week ahead we’ll get into the nuances of what we think we’re going to see in the ring next Saturday night.

14 Responses to “Saturday Thoughts on De La Hoya/Pacquiao”

  1. Kopper Says:

    Wow. Arreola started slow but did what he had to do in the 3rd. Not often you see a round (2nd) with 3 knockdowns, split by both fighters.

  2. Kopper Says:

    By the way, after listening to Arreola talk to Kellerman after the fight, I have to say I love Chris Arreola. Not afraid to say into the mic to Kellerman “He is a strong motherfucker.” He’s a showman, and Klitchko (either one) would murder him right now, but with some training and some weight control, one day he’ll give us a nice fight to watch and certainly come in with more heart than Sam Peter.

  3. boxingstudent Says:

    Too bad Christobal can’t seem to stay off the burritos. I don’t think he’ll ever get into the kind of shape he needs to threaten Drs. Steelhammer and Ironfist.

  4. Trickster Says:

    Travis Freaking Walker looked like the HW-future for about 4 minutes – was a fun fight.

    You gotta love PWill – I really hope he gets a real fight in 2009. A Margo-rematch is unlikly though.

  5. I-Berg Says:

    I watched the fight with Zoe last night and she made the very strong point that areola is the proper name for for the circular area of colored skin around the nipple. She found it highly ironic that a fighter with this name actually had good sized man-tits. She was not around during the Eric Scott Esch era so she has only a limited reference point on the subject, but to be fair his name wasn’t Butternips.

    While I did have some trouble putting that out of my mind, that was some good shit last night. Maybe the most impressive thing to me was that he knew to take a knee when he was in trouble and take the benefit of the full count. Amazing how up and coming fighters continue to forget about taking a knee and don’t know how to tie someone up.

    Does feel a bit premature for Klitschko talk. Travis Walker has been fighting since 2004. He was definitely a physical specimen comparable to a Klitschko, but he had no defensive skills whatsoever, and reverted to loopy punches once he was in trouble. Definitely impressed me that Arreola could weather that early storm and take care of him, but I would like to see him deal with someone with a skill level more like a Jonathan Banks, before he gets matched with a Klitschko.

    Overall, a tough funny Mexican-American heavyweight, that can KO or be KOed in any fight–hard to imagine anything better for the heavuweight division.

  6. Matt Says:

    I know both guys are looking for bigger and better fish to fry but I would love to see an Arreola/Haye clash..
    Sorry to steal from professional wrestling but I think it would have all the makings of a world class slobberknocker..

  7. david Says:

    Arreola has a great chin and good skills. He looks sloppy about his conditioning.

  8. VJ Rabid Says:

    Great column. Much has been made of the weight difference between Pacquiao and De La Hoya, but with how hard Pacman hits (harder than Oscar – and not relative to size), it will really come down to reach and chin.

    A Pacquiao win will do wonders for boxing. Hatton-De La Hoya and Mayweather-De La Hoya II will be mega fights, no doubt, but Hatton-Pacquiao and Mayweather-Pacquiao will feature world class, name fighters in their primes, and carry that much more credibility and legitimacy.

  9. El Mero Mero Says:

    The biggest reason to root for Manny is the prospect of him destroying Hatton sometime next year. Does that thing even make it to 6 rounds? And thus would set up the REAL fight of the century, Pacquiao-Money in December ‘09.

    I find myself starting to drink Freddie Roach’s koolaid about Manny being able to knock DLH out. Anyone want to talk me out of it?

  10. Gene Says:

    Not gonna talk you out of it at all. I believe he has a serious shot at winning this fight by KO. My prediction is Manny by UD, even though the experts tell me I’m crazy.

    In a perfect world, the winner of this fight would face Money May and the loser gets Hatton in England. Then the winners face each other regardless. That’s four entertaining fights that would make all of their pockets full. OF course this is boxing, and that makes too much sense to happen.

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