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November 16th, 2008

Making Haye

posted by Large

Last night may have been the most important evening for the sport of boxing in a long time, certainly since Oscar/Floyd, and arguably even more so than that lucrative, headline-grabbing but ultimately inconsequential affair. David Haye’s complete destruction of Monte Barrett at the O2 Arena in London last night heralded the return of some legitimate drama to the heavyweight ranks, something that boxing desperately has needed since the retirement of Lennox Lewis and the demise of both Evander Holyfield and Mike Tyson.

You have to go back all the way to the 1930’s, to the days of Jack Sharkey and Primo Carnera and (bless his heart) Jim Braddock, to find an era in which the heavyweight title was held so cheaply and by such a cabal of undeserving second-rate fighters as it has been over the last five years since the retirement of Lewis. Not surprisingly, boxing often has seemed to be on life support in popular culture during that stretch. As go the heavyweights, so goes the sport, and for some time now the heavyweights have been going very badly indeed.

How much can we divine of David Haye’s heavyweight future from what he did to Two Gunz Barrett in London last night? Not a lot, I’m afraid, purely for the reason that Barrett is finished and he wasn’t really all that much to marvel at when he started. A heavyweight contender in this barren era, more than anything Monte resembles the second-stage caliber of tomato-can that Mike Tyson used to finish on a bimonthly basis during his march to notoriety in the mid-80s.

But aye mate, there’s the rub, because Haye disposed of Barrett in truly Tysonesque fashion, connecting with gigantic power shots that reduced the much bigger Two Gunz to Less Than Zero Gunz, to not so much as a Slingshot (Slingzhot?) in there, knocking him down twice in the third, twice in the fourth, and for the fifth and final time in round five to cap off a Major Statement Fight of the sort that we’ve been waiting for from a heavyweight for a long, long time.

I saw a lot from Haye in this fight that encouraged me, and a few things that did not, but I have to temper all of my observations with the caveat that Monte Barrett simply is not very good. Nevertheless, he’s big, 6′3″, 226 pounds last night, not quite Klitschko-sized, but a legitimately big boy in this era of very big heavyweights. According to Haye, Barrett’s jab (though he didn’t throw it often) felt like “a cruiserweight’s right hand,” an admission that the newcomer had duly noted his step up in the power sweepstakes. Barrett came into the ring last night intent on making the most of the size and power differential by roughing Haye up, charging at him relentlessly in wild-swinging, bar-brawling lunges, clubbing him on the back of the head in clinches, and, most notably, hitting him clean on the chin when Haye was down on the canvas in the fifth after a slip in the middle of the ring.

The ref docked Monte a point for that flagrant foul, and soon after that Haye docked him the fight by knocking him the fuck out. He put together maybe five straight punches to finish the job, a flurry of hooks that set up a winging left and then a right flush on the kisser that sent Barrett all the way down queer street to the dreamy confines of La La Lane. Referee Richie Davis waved off the bout as a blank-eyed Barrett looked up helplessly for a clue as to what all the fuss was about.

This is the first thing I liked about Haye, liked a lot in fact – the size of the fight in the dog. He’s small for a heavyweight these days, 215 pounds last night and not looking like he’s wants to carry much more weight comfortably. But he didn’t fight small, and he responded in kind to Monte’s big-man roughhousing, stood his ground and gave as good as he got. He looks to me like he’s strong and sturdy as hell and not about to be intimidated in the least when he faces guys who outweigh him by 25 pounds or so. That’s a very good sign moving forward, because there are a couple of Ukrainian giants in his future.

Haye’s skills were on fine display last night, but here is a place where I think it’s tough to make a total assessment of his heavyweight future because of the poor quality of competition. I make an exception, though, as to the question of Haye’s raw power. Say what you will about Two Gunz, and he’s been KO’ed before for sure, but Hasim Rahman didn’t get it done, and the notoriously heavy-handed Rock hit Barrett many times. After what Haye did to poor Monte last night, he made no bones about the fact that he possesses genuine heavyweight knockout power, one-punch power in fact, and with both hands. He scored his first knockdown with a left hook that had all the leaping, precise fury of Tyson at his best. He catches Wlad Klitschko with one of those, and Wlad will not walk out of the ring of his own accord.

Then again, if Haye insists on fighting Wlad with both hands down at his waist and his chin forward, he might never get a chance to land one of those bombs. Will he continue with his cocky, almost Naseem-style low-slung stance when he goes in there with a precision-punching giant like Wlad? I should hope not. I liked what I saw of Haye’s ability to slip punches last night, and it certainly allows him a lot of mobility and authority with his counters. His upper-body movement is fantastic for a heavyweight, allowing him to weave in and out of jabs with an almost Winky-like margin of error while maintaining a close, balanced position to return fire. He did tend to retreat straight backwards at times, and ate the biggest blows he took all night because of it, but then Monte was bum-rushing him in true damn-the-torpedoes fashion. Floyd went straight back against Hatton a lot too with similar urgency. When a dude is flinging himself at you as if it’s a rugby scrum, sometimes there’s nothing to do but hastily give ground.

In the end, though I can’t be entirely sure, I really think that what we have here is a fighter who can hang with either Klitschko and possibly beat them both to emerge as the scion of the next genuine Heavyweight Era. He will definitely out-speed both men. He likely won’t be able to knock Vitali out, but then if Vitali tries to fight with his own brand of hands-at-the-waist disregard for Haye’s power, he could get the shock of a lifetime. Also, let’s be fair: Who really knows what Vitali has left right now? Sam Peter certainly did not probe that question for a convincing answer.

Still, I tend to think the more vulnerable Klitschko is Wlad as far as Haye is concerned. Even from his upright, 6′6″ stance and putting that pawing jab out there like a poleaxe, I don’t think Wlad would be able to avoid eating some of what Haye is cooking. And given his track record chin-wise… well, look, it would be a very exciting fight. Haye’s chin isn’t granite, either. We even saw some of that in evidence last night. Wlad/Haye would be a high-stakes game of “get me before I get you first” and I think it would be very entertaining to watch.

And that’s the bottom line here, innit? David Haye is very entertaining to watch. As for being the next heavyweight superstar, there’s more than his talent that remains a question mark right now, because I really don’t know if American fight fans will warm to the next Tyson if he happens to be from the Jolly Old. Unfortunately it appears as if even British fans haven’t completely gotten behind Haye yet with song-singing Ricky Hattonish glee, because the 20,000-seat O2 Arena was less than a third full last night.

That will change, however, if you substitute a Klitschko for a Monte Barrett, no doubt. A Klitschko/Haye title fight is something that’s seemed unimaginable for years now – a legitimate heavyweight event. When’s the last time you actually looked forward to a heavyweight fight? Wlad/Sam Peter maybe, 2005? I tell you people, I’m buzzed. I’ve backed a lot of sorryass ponies looking for a heavyweight thoroughbred in recent years to end this Mordor-like era of barely tolerable Klitschkosity. Calvin Brock, Chazz Witherspoon, Eddie Chambers, Sam Peter. I knew they were all several ratchets shy of a full toolbox, but I just needed to imagine that something might happen to break through the prevalent malaise.

And now… I don’t know. I kind of have a feeling that something has.

(P.S. I either will or won’t write a little something about Taylor/Lacy. I can’t decide yet whether it’s worth it. Jermain almost fulfilled my prophecy of a third-round KO and in the end I think he got the job done to everyone’s satisfaction. I was still disappointed, though, because I thought it was Jermain’s biggest failing, poor conditioning, that kept him from finishing the highly gorable bull that is Jeff Lacy. I just… I want to see some urgency from these young fuckers, from Chad Dawson, from Jermain… I want to see them want to exhilarate us with hyperviolence worthy a bazillion dollars. Yet another reason to feel good about David Haye’s Hayemakers. Holms is out to get that money for real.)

11 Responses to “Making Haye”

  1. Gene Says:

    Haye/Wlad is the perfect fight for the game right now. Wow, it feels good to type that. It doesn’t hold enough appeal to be put on ppv but just enough to get a few non fans to pay attention. If Haye hits a home run, it’s a game changer. If he strikes out, game over. Boxing needs these guys to make this happen. Lets just hope Rock doesn’t spoil the plans, with that said I highly doubt that is possible.

  2. Matt Says:

    I say thank god for David Haye.
    He throws bombs in the ring and talks trash with the best of them outside the ring.

    His dogging of Klitschko after the fight with the man standing next to him was some funny shit. Especially as you can tell Vitali wasn’t quite catching on.

    I would like to see Haye face one more legit contender before he goes hunting for russians. But also why risk a loss when Haye vs Vitali is in demand right now.

  3. Trickster Says:

    I’m still not sold on Haye. He looked good against Barret – right, but Dude is still only a blown-up Cruiser and he will give up 30-40 Pounds to both Klitschkos.

    Sure he can catch Wlad with a big shot (like every puncher) but I think both Klits beat him handly.

    That Vitali and Wlad are both eager to fight him, is another hint, that they both know, that it’s a pretty save big-money-fight.

  4. ricky roe Says:

    haha i love this clip of 2 guns tryna get in the ring

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouu_zPXZB48

  5. Kurt Says:

    Large – the jury is waaaaaaaayyyy still out on this guy. I’m not saying he’s the second coming of Courage Tshabalala – but he’s relatively untested.

    He’s fought twice at heavy – Barrett and Polish porn star Tomasz Bonin. He looked good but these guys are second and third tier fighters. Not only that – he didn’t exactly rule the cruisers for a decade either. Full faith and credit for stopping French strongman JM Mormeck but I never thought much of Maccarinelli and really who else is there on this kid’s resume (OK – Giacobbe Fragomeni just won a belt but really . . .)

    I’m as hungry as you are for a young stud heavyweight to set the world on fire. I like Alexander “Battleship” Povetkin – but he may be too small to deal with the brothers Klit. Besides, it looked like Eddie Chambers was going to take his head off before Eddie gassed after about three/four rounds. Chris Arreola seems to lack the science to beat the top guys. Odlanier Solis doesn’t do much for me either.

    Haye has the athleticism but there’s always that classic gas out he had against Carl Thompson that sticks in the back of my mind. Add to that his lack of size and questionable chin and I’m not quite as high on him yet as you are.

  6. Large Says:

    Dudes – I hear you. I knew there would be some Masians who write in with their grave doubts about Haye, and of course they’re warranted. But you have to admit he’s exciting, and in his fight against Barrett he really delivered. He got a little wild and overconfident with his ability to smack Barrett around, and that led to him getting buzzed a few times, but I have a feeling that he would be a lot more cautious against a Klitschko. I stick to my guns too on this – I’m not all that convinced that Vitali is a real force right now either. That effort that Sam Peter put out there was a disgrace. Haye fought Peter that night he would have knocked him cold. So, really, would it shock you if Haye went in there and got a win over Vitali? The main thing that I think will be his obstacle there will be – can he pull out a long fight against a guy who as much heart and grit as Vitali does? Cause I really doubt that Haye will be able to stop Vitali.

    He beats V. though and then we’ve got our first BIG heavyweight fight since Lennox/Tyson, a welcome thought.

    Kurt, I think Povetkin is not the guy – he’s got heart but not much skill. Yeah, if Fast Eddie had any stamina he would have won that fight on points easily.

    Also, revisiting the Salita/Paulie debate – I would be in the camp that says that Dimitriy would have a chance against Paulie, though I think if I had to bet I would take Paulie just cause of the quality of competition he’s faced. Hard not to think about how Paulie handled that beating he took from Cotto. Does Dimitriy go the distance with Cotto? It seems unlikely to me, though Cotto did start to coast against Paulie after the first six rounds or so. But anyway, one thing about Dimitriy vs. Paulie is that you sort of feel like neither guy would knock the other out, so it’s a boxing match, and Dimitriy would at least have a shot in that kind of fight.

    The main thing is, I’d really like to see it. What are the chances? Seems like a natural promotion in NYC, like a much smaller scale Leonard/Hearns battle for the city bragging rights type thang. Plus, if Paulie were to beat Hatton, well, then you’d have your step-up fight. Even if he doesn’t, though, it seems like a perfect fight.

  7. Administrator Says:

    Seems to me like that has a better shot at being made if Paulie loses to Hatton. If he beats him, he would likely have other, higher paying options. Maybe a sign that Pauli doesn’t underestimate Dimitriy if there isn’t more talk about that fight because I think if the money was decent that would be a great showcase for Dimitriy to showcase skills at a much higher level without having to risk a Cotto-Malignaggi type punishment which I can’t blame for not lining up for.

  8. Kurt Says:

    Yeah – I agree with I-berg. I think if Paulie loses, the Dmitriy fight gets made a lot easier. Dmitriy is insistent that he wants to win a belt before he fights Paulie but I think we need to take what the market gives us in this economy. Apparently, Kotelnik’s promoter is not opposed to doing the fight with Dmitriy next year so we’ll see if we can get the title shot. If not, we’ll try to make a Paulie fight or see if HBO would take a Santana fight.

    By the way, I’m still reeling from Wendesday Night Fights on ESPN and Solo Boxeo on Telefutura biting the dust. The opportunities for up-and-coming fighters are getting fewer and fewer.

  9. Large Says:

    I feel you Kurt. Not that it’s quite the same thing, but did you see the numbers that Calzaghe/Jones did? That thing was a disaster. Of course I and many others feel that it deserved to be, but it’s indicative to me of where the economy is at and where people’s priorities are as far as boxing is concerned.

    Can’t say, though, as a fan that I’m that pained about losing WNF, cause they have put on some terrible shows in the last few years.

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