You Get What You Deserve
posted by Large
Man, Zab Judah really didn’t cover himself in glory last night. I don’t know what the hell Kellerman was going on about showering Zab with praise for his performance, because:
- He got destroyed.
- He effectively quit, if the ring doctor is to be believed.
- He had the audacity after the fight to suggest that he won.
That he lost the bout conclusively was to this fight fan’s eyes inarguable. If you didn’t see it, the fight was stopped in the ninth round by the ring doctor because, as the doctor explicitly said afterwards, “Zab claimed that he couldn’t see.” He had a bad cut over his left eye that the ref mistakenly attributed to a butt (HBO did a great job of picking up the exact punch that opened it) but according to the doctor he was going to let Zab continue fighting in spite of the cut. Until Zab told the doc that he couldn’t see, at which point the doc administered a quick vision test that Zab failed and the fight was waved off.
Ten minutes later Zab was in the center of the ring in shades pounding his chest and whipping the sparse remains of a small crowd into a frenzy about the unjust decision. Miracle of miracles, he seemed to have reclaimed his vision at that point.
Look, I try not to question the bravery of fighters in almost any circumstances because for the most part their bravery is unimpeachable and far exceeds my own. It’s not on the question of courage that I take issue with Zab last night – it’s on the question of honor. It looked pretty clear to me that he took the easy way out of a fight in which he was getting a good old-fashioned shellacking. Fine – not exactly Jake LaMotta territory, but whatever. There was absolutely no way he was going to win the fight, he saw an opportunity to throw in his own towel and he took it without hesitation.
After such an act, however, to insist that he should have won and that everyone in the stands and everyone at home knew that he won the fight… sheesh. That was low. He knew the ref had called the cut the result of a headbutt (and he probably also knew that was bullshit), and he had good reason to suspect that he’d won a few of the early rounds, and so he rolled the dice on the scorecards and lost. It’s not exactly warrior behavior to begin with, and then to beat your chest about it afterwards is unconscionable.
For the record, I had Clottey winning six rounds and Zab three. I gave Zab the first two rounds and then I threw in the sixth, and otherwise it was all Clottey. As the announcers repeatedly said last night, the fight did have a Margo/Cotto Lite feeling to it, the tougher man beating the better boxer by walking through his shots, taking two or three to give one and making that one stick. Here we are two weeks in a row getting visual evidence of a boxing rule of thumb that you rarely see so starkly embodied – you can’t beat what you can’t hurt. I’m not sure if Clottey belongs in Margo’s league as far as badassitude goes, but he is definitely one tough mother with a heavy beard and even heavier punches. He’ll give anyone in the division a run for their money, and we knew that even before last night’s tangle, because he’d already gone the distance with Margarito in 2006 and given the Tijuana Tornado a bit of a storm warning in doing so.
As for Margs, he was in attendance, resplendent in sunglasses and a sixty-watt smile, looking like the cat who just ate Miguel Cotto. In an interview with Kellerman, he kept beating the Oscar horse, although it seems all but certain now that horse has left town for good, with Bob Arum and Richard Schaefer set to meet this Wednesday to hammer out a deal for De La Hoya/Pacquiao.
I can’t imagine that any true fight fan is happy that Oscar’s going to duck Margs for Mighty Mouse, and now the news gets even worse, because evidently Josh Clottey tore a bicep muscle in last night’s bout and may not be able to make the proposed November 1st date for a hard-earned and much deserved rematch with Margarito.
Which means that… yes, Margarito/Judah is a distinct possibility. Flicking around the fight blogs today, I was astonished to read people writing that Judah had earned a bout with Margs after a “gutsy” performance last night. Myself, I feel like Zab definitely earned a meeting with Tony, but more as punishment than reward. You get what you deserve in this life, and what Zab deserves after last night is a sound ass-whupping. I have no doubt that Margarito will give him one to remember.
August 3rd, 2008 at 11:05 pm
at least he didn’t try to beat up the ref this time…
August 4th, 2008 at 3:03 am
Yey.. feed him to the Margarito!
Not sure though, if Zab can still make 140 (he was 143 for this one) him fighting Malinaggi could create some buzz in NY, or am I off the mark here?
August 4th, 2008 at 10:44 am
Zab v Paulie would definitely have some local appeal on a Theatre/Felt Forum level, but doesn’t seem like enough where the gate would effect how much they would get paid. I imagine that would be more tv saleable than Clottey/Judah. Maybe a non PPV Saturday night or another boxing after dark.
Good stuff, Large. Kellerman was probably interviewing Zab for Max on Boxing in 1994, so maybe understandable that he was a little generous. Pretty wild to me that we are still gonna speak about Zab in a marquee fight after this performance. He’s got some of the Brooklyn self-destructo weirdness of Tyson with none of the pop. Surprising longevity.
August 4th, 2008 at 10:50 am
Large, I think you should teach a one-unit elective (on this site) called Poetry for Sportscasters. Kellerman needs to forget about his Longfellow and straighten out his Dylan Thomas. “Do not go into that gentle…Do not gently go…Bob help me out here, what was the line?”
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Large can you please pick a more appropriate passage for Zab, maybe drop a little Ill Phil Larkin on these clowns.
August 4th, 2008 at 11:45 am
I forgot about that shiznit. It was classic how, after Max attributed “Do Not Go Gentle” to Robert Frost, he clearly got a note from some researcher and threw it in like two rounds later, “ah, Bob, of course Do Not Go Gentle was Dylan Thomas” and THEN he turns to Stopping by Woods to prove that he’s got some Robert Frost chops after all. I can’t fault him entirely for the effort, but busting out the two most-quoted non-Shakespeare poems in the English language back to back does not exactly qualify the man for a title-shot in the division of pugilistic poetry.
A title belt, of course, that I wear proudly on my waist and I’m taking all comers (wait, wait, is Budd Schulberg still around… ah, he’s old).
On the Larkin front for Zab the Disingenuous, I offer this last passage from “Reasons for Attendance” – a wise man once pointed out to me that all of the poetry of this poem resides in the full stop of the last line, a moment’s pause for all the Zabs of the world to consider the state of their souls:
…Therefore I stay outside,
Believing this; and they maul to and fro,
Believing that; and both are satisfied,
If no one has misjudged himself. Or lied.
August 4th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
It was pretty obvious that Zab was just looking for an exit sign, much in the same manner as he was in the Mayweather fight. I mean, the cut was in no way in an area that would’ve hampered his vision.
If Zab gets a date w/ Margarito, it might just be the last fight of his career.
August 4th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
A title belt, of course, that I wear proudly on my waist and I’m taking all comers.
I like the strut, Large.
The sad thing about Zab is that there was a road diverged in a yellow wood…and Zab took the road most traveled and that is why he has never made a difference.
Please don’t try to drop Frost lyrics on me…stop don’t hurt ‘em Rooster…holla!
August 4th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
Large, all respect to you, but you seem to have forgotten how once I mucked you up by dropping Bogan on your Marianne-Moore-touting poetastrical ass. That said, “Reasons for Attendance” is well-played and I offer this little-known Larkin stanza not as a challenger, but a complement and reminder that the size of your fight is doggerel haikish and I’m large like Paradise Lost.
Man fists over misery to man.
It deepens like an above-eye gash.
Get out as early as you can,
But not before you get the cash.
August 4th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
Don Khan, that be the new verse and I nod in stoic acknowledgment of your powers. You are a worthy challenger to my throne, worthy in mettle if not in skill – as Jack London said of Tommy Burns facing Jack Johnson – “hopeless, preposterous, heroic.”
Rooster, I think you might need to cook a little longer before you step up to cockfight.
Ryan, I think perhaps you mean, “the last fight of his life.”
August 4th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
I stand corrected.
August 5th, 2008 at 10:04 am
Large,
Sure we have moved on and all…but you have to admit, everyone’s blood is still boiling after that Margarito v. Cotto fight. I can’t imagine how much your blood was flowing from being there ringside. There is no way you have come down from it.
Of course you have had some days to rest and think about the fight and the weekend…can you give us some highlights…any boxers that you seen that you had to shake their hand but you didn’t and such. Maybe some things you learned while you were there and such.
I will tell you one thing I learned from that fight and I wasn’t even there:
1. Margarito in a bonafide killer!
August 5th, 2008 at 4:38 pm
fuckin zab “sees 3 fingers” judah…lol….they need to feed this guy to berto at msg….it could probably do a decent gate…as far as magarito goes….the pickings r slim…how about tito at a 162 catch weight? great payday and pretty interesting fight actually
August 5th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
Tito, Ricky – I like it. Tito’s big talk is nothing under 168 and if Oscar money won’t bring him below that I don’t know what will. The Cotto rematch will happen and it should be a nice payday for Tony. And then maybe Floyd fights winner.
Shit so long as we’re fantamasizing, what about Margs/Pavlik? What a fucking fight that would be.
August 6th, 2008 at 11:38 am
while i agree that tito getting under 168 will never happen…i think this is a real good fight on paper…lets say for 15 mil plus maybe some ppv percentages…tito could be motivated to drop a few extra pounds…i think trinidad may be the one guy who could crack this guys beard…and lets face it…as roy said “tito needs to see a target to let his hands go”…and tony presents a nice target…add in the fact that cotto and trinidad arent best of pals…it would be a chance to regain glory for PR and outshine cotto…would probably do great numbers….its sort of fantasy…but makes alot of sense
August 6th, 2008 at 11:56 am
Seriously man, ricky, you should come down from that Tito-Roy-Trip. I know Tito was a bonafide killer at 147, but right now he couldn’t hurt Margo if they’d fight at 200 pounds. Tony would kill him.
As for Pavlik, I see that as a really big mismatch. I mean Pavlik is a L-Heavyweight fighting at 160 and he packs one hell of a punch. Margo is to small for that fight and his fighting style lives from his ability to back others down because of his strength. He won’t do that against pavlik and would get seriously hurt. Different thing against a small MW like Abraham I guess, but Pavlik.. no way.
August 6th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
Totally agree w/ Trickster, re: Margs vs. Pavlik/Tito. Besides, while there might not be many appealing options for Tony right now (or November for that matter), he needs to fight ww’s, and try and clean out the division. With him being The Man at 147 now, and with the welterweight division clearly the best, deepest division in the whole sport, Margs has no business at 154, 160, or Christ, 168 for that matter.
August 6th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
Lads, lads, did I or did I not preface my remarks by acknowledging that I was in fantasy-land?
I have no desire to see Margarito fight Tito other than this – as a boxing realist, I want him to cross over, and despite the big buzz the Cotto win got him in the boxing community, I think he’s a long way from getting the BIG type of fights that I think he deserves. Unfortunately, he needs to fight someone with some crossover cred to make that happen, and in that Oscar is in the process of passing and Floyd passed once and I imagine will stick to that path, Tito is a pretty big name that I have no doubt Tony would beat in the 160 territory.
Pavlik is another story, although I do believe that Margs would fight comfortably at 160. But Pavlik is just too big. I’d still like to see it, though, just on that level of “how good IS Tony’s beard?” How many of Kelly’s poleaxe one-two’s could he eat? You just sort of wonder what it would take to knock the guy out.
Neither fight will happen, of course. I just hope something crops up to stave off Tony/Zab. I wonder if Mosley is in the future picture at all. Did you see today that Richard Schaefer is coming out and saying that it’s an outrage if Margs doesn’t fight PWill and that’s why Oscar doesn’t want to fight him? Oscar’s team is really trying to spin that thing and I don’t think it’s working for him. When that Pac Man fight gets announced he is going to take a world of shit.
One further note – how about Clottey calling out Berto? Man, there’s a fucking fight for you.
August 6th, 2008 at 11:28 pm
large…thanks for at least entertaining the thought and seeing my main point
ryan/trick…am i clamoring for tito/margs? would i swell up in anticipation? no….but this fight makes sense…you see the offer goosen sent to top rank for the pw rematch? i mean cmon….you want this guy to come off a big win over cotto and fight a guy we know can beat him…for those numbers…the ppv wont sell either…
seriously…i wasnt suggesting the fight because i was so intrigued by the matchup…i suggested it because it makes alot of sense…the only people clamoring for the pw fight are the diehards like us…sometimes you have to think outside of the diehard box…this fight would get margs more than the 4 mil goosen is offering…and hed get a ppv percentage(that would be a much nicer chunk than a percentage from a pw ppv)…which would be a nice chunk of change overall for what would probably be a relatively easy nights work…you know tito will show up for 8 figures…and maybe, just maybe, a fire gets lit under him for him to actually train hard enough to make this somewhat interesting for a bit…hell have a chance to outdo cotto and fend off the “boriqua assassin” and reclaim pride for PR….the fight is an easy sell….mosley is busy…the williams fight just isnt worth the risk or the short money right away…especially coming off a big win like that….you guys really think for 12-15 mil tito wouldnt make 162??? and even still you guys are dismissing tito like hes nothing? i mean what do u think roy would do to margo at a catch weight?? as bad ass as margo is…margo gives a good target and that plays right into tito
hmmm i dunno…tough choice…gotta get a date for november…no mosley…no de la hoya…no cotto…prob no clottey…fight paul williams for short money or tito for a big fight/payday??? hmmmm
ryan…just a month or so ago…you were saying paul williams should move up to 154 and clean it out…lol
August 7th, 2008 at 6:39 am
I’m not against that fight. A bout with Tito would be great promo for Margo or Pavlik. I just don’t think this version of Tito has ANY chance in freaking hell against Margo.
Tito was a great WW bout 7 years ago, and sure, the Oscar-fight-Tito-version is a favorit against Margarito. But now? After 5 years of inactivty and blowing up? You can’t just train that down, by “training hard”. Tito is old, his muscles are spent, he will NEVER be the same.
Doesn’t matter which catch weight they fight, cuz both there “natural” weight is junior middle. That’s the difference to say RJJ, whos natural weight might be somewhere around Light Heavy.
@Large: I think Pavlik bustes Margo up in 6 or 7. He is just too big.
Anyway: As maxboxing reports, the fight Arum is looking for seems to be a Dogers-Stadium-PPV-card on Showtime, with Margo-Clottey, Chavez Jr. and prob. Donaire. Could be interessting, thought I don’t trust it, before it isn’t signed.
August 7th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
RR, I still do think PWill could clean out 154, and from what I hear, he’s been having difficulty making 147. I was talking about Margarito cleaning out welterweight, not Williams. That said, the most important fight at 147 right now is the rematch between Margs and Williams, seeing as how it would firmly establish the best welterweight in the world.
I still don’t see how Margarito-Trinidad makes any sense whatsoever. Not only are they two (almost three) whole weight classes apart, but Margarito is the welterweight champ w/ a host of potential options down the road. Clottey’s good to go now for November, so it looks like we’re gonna get Margs-Clottey II. Which I’m more than ok with.
Large, I’d love to see Berto-Clottey…just not yet. I think Andre should fight a solid gatekeeper or two before he gets in there w/ Josh. I have very little doubt right now that Clottey would give anyone at ww and below a rough night. As far as Oscar goes, dude is starting to sound like Ari Fleischer w/ all this bullshit spin. I’d have much more respect for the guy if he just said, “Look, I’m not out to be the man at 147. I’m just trying to give the fans an intriguing fight and a great event for boxing before I go off and drink my daquiris on the beach. And if I fought Tony, I’d be drinking my meals, not daquiris out of a straw.”
August 7th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
Oh, and as for Tony’s beard? The only way I see him getting KO’d is if someone has brass knuckles under their gloves instead of tape. I’m starting to think he eats Klitchko’s best shit and walks him down.
(kidding)
August 7th, 2008 at 10:42 pm
“RR, I still do think PWill could clean out 154, and from what I hear, he’s been having difficulty making 147. I was talking about Margarito cleaning out welterweight, not Williams. That said, the most important fight at 147 right now is the rematch between Margs and Williams, seeing as how it would firmly establish the best welterweight in the world.”
well he didnt seem to have much problem making it for quintana…and him and his team have made an offer to top rank on margs for 147….so like i said when you orignally made the claim….paul has to either suck it and bust his ass for 147…or go to 160….cuz 154 is a dead zone…a wasteland…no money or legacy building fights
i dont know what doesnt make sense about margs/tito…stop thinking like a diehard fan…try thinking like arum or a member of margaritos team for a second…hed make biggest payday of his life plus ppv percentages…and the fight will sell as both guys have fanbases…hed be co-headlining a ppv here…which will help him headline in the future against a pw or even clottey…not to mention all of you seem to think hed have no problem with tito whatsoever…so theres no risk right? so he should go fight paul or clottey right now? one guy who beat him and one guy who is a risk…the guy finally lured a big name in the ring with him and he came away with a career defining w….and now he should go fight two virtual no names?…hes 30 and he cant his team want to eat…hes been in the game almost 15 years and he hasnt made much….he blazes through tito and guys like pw and clottey are still there and hes a headliner…if i was managing him…id at least explore the possibility
August 8th, 2008 at 7:14 am
I think Zab was watching Toney Rahman II…both guys quit…both should not be fighting on TV anymore.
August 8th, 2008 at 7:43 am
Zab trying to do the Harlem Shuffle:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o7A3rMN6Co&feature=related
August 8th, 2008 at 8:24 am
Ok Ricky, so let me just ask you a questing about Margarito-Trinidad…what weight do they fight at? If you think Margarito is gonna go all the way up to super middle, or fight at a catch weight north of 160, then I think you’re dead wrong. Tito is not coming down to jr. middle either, so that’s out.
And stop thinking like a diehard fan? Umm, not sure what that means, but I’d think it would be a bit hypocritical to shit all over fights like DLH-Mayweather, Mayweather-Hatton, etc., but then cheerlead for a busted, washed up Trinidad to be sacrificed to the new beast in boxing. What has Tito done to warrant a big fight right now? Hang w/ an also faded Roy Jones?
And yes, the money would be good for a relatively easy fight for Margs. But that shit sounds way too much like, “If it don’t make dollars, it don’t make sense.” Which always made me wanna puke.
Like we were talking about in an earlier thread…boxing is not a mainstream sport. Hasn’t been for a long time. I’m sick of promoters trying to bring this sport back to circa 1920 and thus getting bullshit “big event” type fights to try and lure in people who could really care less about the sport. If one is likely to fall in love w/ the sport, they won’t need Tito getting his ass kicked to convert them. Just as Oscar-Pacquiao would be a complete shame, too would Margarito-Trinidad.
And yes, I DO wanna see Margarito fight Williams and Clottey. Forgive me for wanting to see fights that actual boxing fans care about. They wouldn’t be my first choice if I were his promoter (Mayweather, DLH would be), but they help his legacy and his standing in the boxing world. I’m not a fan of these guys’ bank accounts, Ricky. I am a fan of good boxing and intriguing matchups though.
August 8th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
“Ok Ricky, so let me just ask you a questing about Margarito-Trinidad…what weight do they fight at? If you think Margarito is gonna go all the way up to super middle, or fight at a catch weight north of 160, then I think you’re dead wrong. Tito is not coming down to jr. middle either, so that’s out.”
i think we already went over this one didnt we? i suggested 162..margs was 154 on fight night…its not a major stretch to get to 160…tito can get to 162 if he wants the money bad enough…8 figures talks
“And stop thinking like a diehard fan? Umm, not sure what that means, but I’d think it would be a bit hypocritical to shit all over fights like DLH-Mayweather, Mayweather-Hatton, etc., but then cheerlead for a busted, washed up Trinidad to be sacrificed to the new beast in boxing. What has Tito done to warrant a big fight right now? Hang w/ an also faded Roy Jones?”
well…yer not naive enough to think that tito actually hung on are you? roy let tito off the hook because they are actually friendly and roy has respect for tito…he let him leave with a little bit of dignity in front of his home away from home MSG…but what did tito do to warrant his fight with roy jones? besides get beat by winky with one punch?…the most basic punch there is…lol…well he brought a big name and a built in ppv audience…thats what
“And yes, the money would be good for a relatively easy fight for Margs. But that shit sounds way too much like, “If it don’ make dollars, it don’ make sense.†Which always made me wanna puke.”
“And yes, I DO wanna see Margarito fight Williams and Clottey. Forgive me for wanting to see fights that actual boxing fans care about. They wouldn’ be my first choice if I were his promoter (Mayweather, DLH would be), but they help his legacy and his standing in the boxing world. I’m not a fan of these guys’ bank accounts, Ricky. I am a fan of good boxing and intriguing matchups though.”
well i know you arent a fan of fighters bank accounts…but after finally breaking through after almost 15 years in the sport…one would believe that tony and his people are fans of their own bank accounts…hey i wanna see margs vs pw/clottey 2 as much as the next guy…but as you noted, these fighters and promoters dont always care about what us “actual boxing” fans want to see…as evidenced by alot of the matchups…and the potential oscar/pacman…
its pretty funny…i just threw the idea out..and people here just acted like it was the most absurd thing theyd ever heard…it was posted on an message board at a site with some real knowledgable diehard fans…and the thread went for 5 pages…and quite a few people thought it made sense and were actually intrigued by the idea
you seem like way too much of a “purist”…nothings perfect…so you gotta take the bad and absurd in the world of boxing along with the great stuff that comes from it…youll have a few guys who will stay true…but basically when you turn pro everything stops becoming a sport…and becomes a career…to me this fight would be good for margaritos life and the lives of his supporting cast….williams and clottey will still be there after
its seems to be that youd the guy….that after margarito won a bullshit decision against clottey in dodger stadium on a ppv card he headlined….would complain about it…or maybe you would try to justify the scoring…who do u think bob arum would be rooting for? and by the way i will literally laugh my ass off if clottey outboxes margs…because it would look like the dumbest move ever made
August 9th, 2008 at 8:29 am
The idea is of the Margo Tito fight is a harmless enough idea…but its beyond far fetched…its simply not going to be happening…and for a variety of reasons which do make sense…and by the way the offer was what 4 million for the p will rematch…?
The thing that has defined Margarito his whole career has been his willingness to take any challenge out there…even when it didnt make the most sense for his bank account…see some guys are just fighters…they arent trying to be businessmen…was it good for business when Margo skipped out on Arum and a proposed Cotto fight and went to fight Williams because he didnt want to lose his belt and be accused of ducking p will…not at all…but we got to see teh fight because hes a fighter not an accountant.
If you feel like an armchair boxing advisor and you feel now is yer opportunity to cash in and the only way to really do it is line Margo up in silly spectacles…like Tito at “162″…why stop there…?…why not see if you can lure Tyson out of retirement…why not have him just basically give up his 147 title and bounce around looking for the biggest payday he can get instead of the toughest challenge out there…
Its sad that a guy wins a huge fight at WW and instead of defending against other great fighters at WW so called boxing fans think he should try to work out a deal to fight Tito Trinidad at 162
You mentioned to the other guy “well i know you arent a fan of fighters bank accounts”….my question in response is: at what point did you stop becoming a fan of great fights and start caring about what the next mans bank account looks like…?
I dont even see this being an issue of purist vs casual fan…if Margarito fought Tito the fight would be over in 4 rounds and Tito would get slaughtered…its just not a good fight…do you really have any interest at all in that..?…and its not a good look for a WW champ to have to drag dead bodies out of boxings past and fight at a catch to get “paid” and again he will get his million dollar paydays from here on out…sorry man not every fight is going to be worth 10 milli…but the man wont starve.
this used to be boxing…now its not even just the fighters trying to maximize potenial earning you have the fans trying to be armchair advisors sounding more like accountants than fight fans.
one last thing…so you are saying Arum was rooting for Cotto to beat Margo obviously…so did you laugh your ass off when Margo pulverized him and probably ruined his career…when he could have held out..ducked that challenge and tried to get a big puerto rican fight with Cotto vs Tito at a catch weight…or held out for a Oscar fight…?
you cant have it both ways homeboy.
August 9th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
first of all…all respect due to the god butch huskey..my boys sister dated his cousin mike for a little while
and yes…goosen offered 4 mil to fight the punisher again…and im sure ppv percentages…what would u project that fight to do? maybe 300,000 tops? now compare that to tito…where margs would probably get around 6 flat and the fight could probably do 500,000 no problem…and pretty much everybody here thinks margs would destroy this guy….so wheres the risk? get in the ring with the punisher who could outwork out him again? i dunno
““well i know you arent a fan of fighters bank accountsâ€â€¦.my question in response is: at what point did you stop becoming a fan of great fights and start caring about what the next mans bank account looks like…?”
that never happened butch..i still want to see the best possible fights out there…but its pretty evident most fighters are looking out for their accounts…as i said before…there are always a few guys who defy that…and as you mentioned…miguel is definitley one of them…he coulda took the easy way to an oscar fight(although him getting that fight was never guaranteed)…tony seems like a guy thats willing to fight anyone too…
“why stop there…?…why not see if you can lure Tyson out of retirement…why not have him just basically give up his 147 title and bounce around looking for the biggest payday he can get instead of the toughest challenge out there”
i never suggested this guy just go around lookin for the biggest paydays…is it a crime for him to come off a big win like he had and take one big payday fight? even if the fight doesnt make sense..im not suggesting this guy call out pavlik after a tito fight or anything…and tony and his people wont starve…but theyve made relative peanuts in his long career so far…would it hurt to take care of his people and set them up nicely? then go back to taking care of 147 business?
the reality is this…bob arum and pauls manager al haymon have beef…and it could prevent that fight from taking place for awhile..not to mention the offer of 4 is probably a little low….and the clottey fight is not a lock either…just because arum was out in l.a. talking about it and the guys from maxboxing wrote that….doesnt make it a done deal…in fact ive seen a few other sources saying they wouldnt be suprised if margs/clottey doesnt get done for this year
to be quite honest…if tito were able to make 162…and actually train hard and come to fight…i think the fight would actually be a bit more entertaining than most of you think…and id buy it…again..im not clamoring for this fight…im saying it makes alot of sense financially and to boost his name…im not suggesting this guy go out looking for circus fights…but one his harmless
August 9th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
and by the way guys…keep your eyes on rhode islands own demetrius “boo boo” andrade in beijing…fighting at 152…probably usa best pro prospect…
caused quite a little message board stir a couple years ago…he was sparring with paulie malignaggi..and apparently paulie hit the floor…one of the guys at the session posted something about it and paulie came on and claimed there was a tangling of feet and he was off balance…and paulie then launched a little claim that andrades people wouldnt let him go more than 10 minutes with paulie…to which they responded that the kid trains only for four 2 minute rounds because thats how his fights were…
August 9th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
am I arguing with my fucking man Malice over here…?
hahaha!!!
August 18th, 2008 at 8:32 pm
Very cool what you’re doing now, Dave! Had a few blasts from the past this week and made me think of you. One google search and now here I am at Nomas NYC. Don’t mean to take up valuable real estate when fellas obviously have a lot to say about boxing. So I’ll just say hi and hope you’re good. xox
August 18th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
Okay, just read through the thread. Zab and Margs and a bunch of other names that mean nothing to me. But then Larkin and Dylan Thomas? Nice.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:00 am
..You ‘Grave for Me
They f*$k you up, your son and daughter.
They may not mean to, though this I doubt.
They fill your vodka bottles with water,
Having drunk them while you were out.
But they were f*@ked up, poor old kids,
By dreams you had of how they’d blaze
The glorious paths you never did–
After all, there were the kids to raise.
Dad bandies disappointment with son.
It hounds the ass like a vestigial tail.
F&%k on; there’s nothing to be done
But die before the grandkids fail.
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